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Very nice, but those designer tabs from FF29 still make my eyes bleed every time I see them, so I'm stuck on FF28. I wonder how many people are in the same situation :-|


Only someone who is completely unconcerned with the security of their computer since 29.0 and later fix critical bugs allowing for remote code execution. Seriously, I'd recommend doing one of the following:

1. Upgrade and use one of the theme and extension combinations to get a look you want.

2. Upgrade and just get used to the new look since it's similar to Chrome and others.

3. Downgrade to Firefox ESR 24.5.0 which IS fully secure.


Or you can simply run it under EMET - http://www.microsoft.com/emet


Blah blah blah, security! Oh, boo-hoo security!

If security is such a hot button worry wart issue, then it shouldn't be permissible for Mozilla developers to bind minor UI tweaks to security fixes. Firefox user interface changes should not be tightly coupled with essential security updates, since they introduce the hazard of many users refusing to comply with good security practices, simply because some asshole design wonk decided to enforce their tastes upon millions of users and disrupt existing, productive, habitual user interface behavior.

And by the way, it's absolutely possible to securely run an instance of Firefox 28 in a read-only, sandboxed, firewalled VM, restricted to connecting to specific trusted hosts.

Permitting a third party to control and modify your behavior by enforcing automatic updates in a manner that does not match your schedule can be an insidious security hazard unto itself. Organizations like Mozilla, Google, Apple and Microsoft have no interest in and no concept of what might be hugely disruptive to their end users, nor do they necessarily have any concept of a given environment's actual security posture. They simply cry "security" and then rampage all over everyone's shit with righteous entitlement.

Nope. I define my security practices (including whether I run a javascript-enabled browser at all), and I define my update schedule.


You should probably build your OS and all your software from scratch, cause it seems you have a problem with using software that doesn't meet your arbitrary guidelines.



Switched to Pale Moon, haven't looked back.

And a bonus of actually having a 64 bit build for my Windows partition without having to run Nightly.


Unfortunately, Pale Moon is significantly slower than Firefox due to it being based on the outdated ESR branch. See: http://portableapps.com/node/39509


Pale Moon, 24.5, Linux 32 bit, running on Debian squeeze 32 bit, on my system, is dramatically faster than Firefox 29.0.1.

Or rather, the latter is dramatically slower than 28.0, just about unusably slow. And this is true with a very minimum installation and usage, Session Manager and Track Package the only extensions, a version of Shockwave Flash auto installed the only plugin. As little as 3 windows with 7 tabs.

And it might just be my impression, but Pale Moon might have been faster than Firefox 28.0.

Have you tried the two side by side?


See my link. I performance tested Firefox, Pale Moon and CyberFox on the same hardware within Windows and posted the results. Maybe the current Debian build is a bit messed up. Debian does their own builds of Firefox through a special agreement with Mozilla (they aren't Mozilla builds).


Ah, I see.

However the Firefox builds I'm using are the generic ones from Mozilla, Debian doesn't supply Firefox due to IP issues, they do their own "Iceweasel" build (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_r...).


Ah right. I'd confused it with Ubuntu. It's still odd, though. I wonder if other Debian users are seeing similar issues.

Out of curiosity, I ran the tests again on FF30 on Windows and Sunspider is about the same as FF28 was while PeaceKeeper and Dromaeo increased a couple percent.


It hasn't been notably slower for me.

And it's rather notably more lightweight in terms of RAM usage.


Who cares if javascript execution is slower? You can speed that bit up by not allowing it to run in the first place. I would accept any speed of browser to avoid Australis.


I don't know if this also restores the old tab look, I think not honestly, but I just installed and I wanted to share this here to hear your opinions https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/the-fox-only-...


classic theme restorer extension.


not the same.


Seamonkey.


I use the Chrome skin for FF and it's surprisingly fantastic.


Correction, it's Fw, not FF.


If we're being pedantic, it's Fx, not Fw or FF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox#History




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