> Have we been given evidence by Snowden that they do this inside the US and/or to US citizens?
Im amazed why do you US citizens always derail the debate towards this question "us citizens or not"?
Are you guys more important than us? Dont you think US citizens are spied upon by UK, New Zeeland, Canada, Sweden, Germany etc and then exchange of information happens with those countries?
Does it matter that much how many laws NSA broke and how many lies they told you? Would you be fine with all of this if NSA had lobbied for a law, like FRA did in Sweden, to make all their activities, spying on US citizens included, perfectly legal? Just suck it up and accept "democracy" then?
Is this legal, who broke what law. What theyre doing is immoral no matter how they twist the law and how much they talk about what direct means in direct access.
Please, avoid discussing legality of minor details and focus on the implications for democracy, power and inequality. How do we fight back?
It is very self-centered, but there's a reason for it. It's easier to make a stink about something immoral if it is also illegal. And some Americans are pretty touchy about the Constitution so the more clearly an action violates the Constitution, the more likely it is to provoke a reaction.
It's certainly not the only debate worth having regarding the whole affair, but as far as things go in the US, it's significant.
How many times does the NSA or some other institution need to break laws to be held accountable? For some few people to do something other than talk about it?
Im amazed why do you US citizens always derail the debate towards this question "us citizens or not"?
Are you guys more important than us? Dont you think US citizens are spied upon by UK, New Zeeland, Canada, Sweden, Germany etc and then exchange of information happens with those countries?
Does it matter that much how many laws NSA broke and how many lies they told you? Would you be fine with all of this if NSA had lobbied for a law, like FRA did in Sweden, to make all their activities, spying on US citizens included, perfectly legal? Just suck it up and accept "democracy" then?
Is this legal, who broke what law. What theyre doing is immoral no matter how they twist the law and how much they talk about what direct means in direct access.
Please, avoid discussing legality of minor details and focus on the implications for democracy, power and inequality. How do we fight back?