I tried them with our small company. They seem ... young. Support on discord is not something I can sell to our owners. We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site, and never got a decent reply on that. Their attitude does not inspire confidence and for that reason we scrapped them as an option. Never actually found a good European option besides them, which is sad.

> We sent a ticket that activating some of their services instantly caused bad bots to scan our site

You assigned a new https certificate around that time, didn't you? Those are public now and will cause an immediate scan.

There is a normal support ticket system not on Discord, which they loudly advertise for having a very good response time. The Discord server is not the primary support method

In my case, the claim was justified. Got a technical response answering my question in detail after half an hour or so.

That's also my experience. I did have a few instances of 'random requests failing' they couldn't really diagnose back when they were new; but that was just amazon dropping request in the end

Service has been great, prices like 10% of cloudflare too once you get the real pricing :P

Like, the bad bots you see when they get an https cert issued and it becomes visible in the public logs, or something else?

Agree discord sucks.

We use them en they have improved a lot in the last year. For edge services they have all the important thing like ddos protection and edge scripting. There is no replacement for Cloudflare Tunnel, but frp [1] is a good alternative.

We don’t miss Cloudflare one bit.

[1] https://github.com/fatedier/frp

They're fine for a CDN but overall their offering surprisingly immature IME. The devx for their hosted scripts/database just isn't there, and e.g. they only allow one global API key with full permissions, etc.

Yeah noticed the key thing too - that seems quite dangerous for things like DNS challenge

MVP would be widely understood on this forum to mean "Minimum Viable Product", I don't think that's what you meant. Options are always good to have.

true, but MVP -> most valuable player might be even more common on the internet, interesting conundrum tbh haha

They don't have Cloudflare Tunnels which is almost too good to pass up.

I don't particularly understand how CF makes money on it, with the many high traffic sites I have used that I know don't pay CF a dime. Tunnels adds so much more overhead in compute on both ends more than their normal CDN/proxy would.

big corps = big money. they dont make money from your $5/mth static site, its practically free when you're at CF scale

What I was talking about: https://newtrackon.com/

10+ BT trackers using CF likely free tier. Low-end EACH 300-500 MILLION HTTP requests/24hr uncached, some exceed a billion reqs/day (using statistics from other open trackers) 20TB-40TB daily, ~1-3 Gbps sustained.

That's a crap load of transfer and compute to process those tiny network connections. As someone that's run a Tunnel on a normal site in the millions, the daemon uses a sizeable amount of CPU and I can't see any reason why it's not the same on the other end.

Whatever source CF has going on, kudos to them and their engineering team.

Lots of people will run http over the tunnel rather than https, so that actually comes out cheaper for CF overall because they don't have to start new TLS sessions.

You don't pay with money, you pay with the curses^H^H^H^H^H MITM.

If you're not paying, you're not the customer; you're the product.

Something to consider if you're looking at Bunny.net: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47710845

I wonder of the CEO ever got back with an update. It seems awfully quiet in that thread.

Like bunny.net - its still tiny compared to CF but hopefully they will grow and won't adopt the crappier bits of CF.