The teenagers you're talking about were taken from Afghanistan, right? Not San Jose.
People make comments about people from the US being "sent to Gitmo" for daring to stand up to authority here, but it's worth noting that nobody has been taken from inside the US and held in Guantanamo.
Having noted that, I think we find we don't even need to litigate Gitmo here. Which is a good thing, because I think you'll have a hard time finding a lot of people to disagree with you in interesting ways about it. Of course military and intelligence agencies shouldn't have taken innocent people from Afghanistan and stuck them in a brig without due process rights. Thankfully, that has little to do with what the FBI does in San Jose.
nobody has been taken from inside the US and held in Guantanamo
No, we avoid this problem by killing natural born US citizens outside the country before they can be put on trial. Far easier politically that way.
Why does it even matter WHERE a teenager is from if they are innocent? Why would you imprison and fly them out of their own country before you know if they are actually guilty of anything? Then treat them so badly over years that you can never release them again because they will become a terrorist against you for the way you treated them?
This is not an HN specific problem, it's endemic to all political discussion today.
Everything has become so polarized it's almost impossible to have a discussion that crosses any sort of substantive divide.
Even the slightest hint of apostasy indicates the speaker to be an obviously evil individual who completely and utterly opposes every rational or moral concept and indeed fact that all our right-thinking intellectual cohorts believe.
Want to do something about giant banks fucking up our country? Sorry, you're a socialist loser who still lives in your mother's basement, your point is invalid, discussion over.
Concerned that the process of science is becoming corrupted in climatology due to group-think? Sorry, you're a global warming denialist (which is as bad as if not probably worse than a holocaust denier, sorry to say), your point is invalid, discussion over.
I get your point and I'm all for calm, dispassionate, intellectual discussions about theoretical things that don't exist yet.
But when there are real things being done right now by your government in your name causing innocent people to suffer, I cannot fathom a middle-ground on that.
First, stop the process and THEN we can have a calm, intellectual discussion about if it's right or wrong. But not while someone is aggressively doing something against another without public approval.
It's easy to call for dispassion when one isn't directly affected by an issue, how would you react if was your neighbor, family or yourself?
The issue I have with that is as it stands right now how would any know if this is true or not? The NSA and FBI can effectively keep things secret as they don't have to disclose all that they are doing.
The truth is that US citizens are being detained by our government and jailed in a space station (codenamed "Camp RT") orbiting the Sun between Earth and Mars.
The US DoD acknowledged fact is that American Citizens have been illegally^ detained, in some cases in Gitmo. This assertion that it somehow matters that they weren't kidnapped while currently in the US is puzzling to say the least.
^They don't admit this part for obvious reasons. And they also say waterboarding isn't torture...
Upon rereading his comment, it still does not appear to me as though he is attempting to prove anything. He is merely displaying a healthy suspicion of something which, unlike Russell's Teapot, is fairly plausible.
Furthermore, his point is logically sound: In a world where governments are permitted to keep secrets, they are effectively able to keep secret what they are keeping secret, by simple induction.
People make comments about people from the US being "sent to Gitmo" for daring to stand up to authority here, but it's worth noting that nobody has been taken from inside the US and held in Guantanamo.
Having noted that, I think we find we don't even need to litigate Gitmo here. Which is a good thing, because I think you'll have a hard time finding a lot of people to disagree with you in interesting ways about it. Of course military and intelligence agencies shouldn't have taken innocent people from Afghanistan and stuck them in a brig without due process rights. Thankfully, that has little to do with what the FBI does in San Jose.