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> I specifically said this wouldn't be covered, because you set up the pin before you knew any investigation occurred.

But that’s just the thing: no investigation did occur. Being pulled aside by CBP doesn’t amount to an investigation. There can’t be an investigation without suspicion of a crime.


What do you mean?

"I only ever cross borders with a blank phone because I don’t want you invading my privacy" is a perfectly valid answer. You can also add that it is your employer’s policy and/or your government official recommendation.

You can also point out that other countries want to search phones too.

"I have to do this because of country X, you know that they're like, amirite?"


> a perfectly valid answer

Makes no difference at all in the real world. You don't have to give valid answers, you need to get the guy across from you to not find you suspicious. That phrase is going to put a red flag on you, valid or not.


> you need to get the guy across from you to not find you suspicious.

What? No, who cares about that? Let him find you suspicious, what matters is that he doesn’t access your data. And it is not suspicious to cross borders (esp. US borders) with burner phones. As others have said, it is standard practice.


He doesn't access your data. He confiscates your phone, then still doesn't access your data, then denies you entry, then still doesn't access your data, then holds you in immigration detention for a week while he tries to access your data, which he can't. Is that a success? Maybe, if your data really is that valuable and a successful border crossing isn't.

> Is that a success?

Definitely.

> Maybe, if your data really is that valuable and a successful border crossing isn't.

Even if my data consisted entirely of cat pictures, it would be more valuable than successfuly crossing the border into a country that actively tries to invade my privacy.


Well why are you showing up at a border crossing if you don't want to cross the border?

To cross said border with my burner phone in my pocket and do whatever I need to do on the other side, why else? You do realise that is by far the most likely outcome, yes?

You may wish to cross the border but not at all costs.

But you already knew the country invades your privacy.

This country may, or may not, ask me to hand over my burner phone for inspection. Then it may, or may not, deny me entry.

Clearly someone who probably never been on the receiving end of those kind of situations turned bad.

It's one that will get you denied entry, or detained indefinitely.

I have worked for employers that required taking a burner phone to certain countries without any accounts logged in, etc. (so mostly for calls, maps, and web browsing) and nobody has ever been detained or denied entry. Some countries know that this is just standard procedure when they are visited for business trips. Probably different for the US though.

(Not legal advise of course, just observation. Always check with the legal department of your employer, etc.)


> Probably different for the US though.

After cornering themselves into being labeled an unsafe destination (long overdue imho), the US are gonna have to learn being treated as such.


"I'm here for business and my employer requires it" is an acceptable excuse. "I don't like government surveillance" is not.

"I'm self-employed and my SOC 2 compliance consultant requires it."

Would the same sentence not work for a self employed person too?

Denied entry, why not. But detained?

In the USA border they detain people they think are lying until they think they are not lying.

Lying about what? "I only bring a burner phone to border checks because I don’t want people like you to access my data“ is not a lie, and I fail to see how it could be interpreted as such.

> India is in what basically amounts to a perpetual state of war with Pakistan and has always been this way.

You mean, since India and Pakistan were invented 79 years ago?


I wonder what is it with this denial of the existence of India prior to 1947. If people were specific and said that they were referring to the Republic of India as the successor state to British-controlled India, then it would at least make some sense. Otherwise it sounds completely insane.

If India was invented 79 years ago, then you need to explain the various East India companies established in the 1600s, and all the references to India and the Indians by the Romans and the Greeks and the Persians and the Chinese before the Abrahamization of Europe. Europeans were literally looking for ways to India and ran into the West Indies and North America by accident.


There was no unified political entity prior to 1947---technically, 26 January 1950---because it took that long for Sardal Patel's program of political unification of sovereign princely states to conclude, so that the now-unified political entity would govern itself under common constitutional, and common law, with democratic universal franchise.

The East India Company, and then the British Raj, held power because they were able to broker deals with opposing (and warring) princely states and kingdoms. They used contractual leverage to make those sub-sub-regions keep each other in check.

The British Raj was a kingdom of kingdoms, in addition to being a protectorate. These are literal legal facts [0].

The word Hindu is literally an exonym. A name given to a people by foreigners. Our very collective identity was conferred upon us by outsiders.

[0] Obligatory Wikipedia... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Raj#British_India_and_...

In its Interpretation Act 1889, the British Parliament adopted the following definitions in Section 18:

    (4.) The expression "British India" shall mean all territories and places within Her Majesty's dominions which are for the time being governed by Her Majesty through the Governor-General of India or through any governor or other officer subordinates to the Governor-General of India.

    (5.) The expression "India" shall mean British India together with any territories of any native prince or chief under the suzerainty of Her Majesty exercised through the Governor-General of India, or through any governor or other officer subordinates to the Governor-General of India.[1]
Who agreed to the legal terms? The rulers of the sovereign princely states and kingdoms.

> There was no unified political entity prior to 1947

There have been many (empires, not modern, Westphalian nation-states), but the British managed to create the largest yet. Pakistan was carved out of British India on Muslim and non-Muslim lines.

> Who agreed to the legal terms? The rulers of the sovereign princely states and kingdoms.

Sovereign in name, but vassals nonetheless.

> Our very collective identity was conferred upon us by outsiders.

It is a name, not an identity. This is like saying the Indians conferred upon the Chinese their identity because the word cīna is of Sanskrit origin and the world calls the Chinese ... Chinese ... due to that.


I'm sorry what, Hindu is not an identity?

It is a name. The identity comes from the rituals, beliefs, clothing, literature, temples, architecture, food and so many other cultural and civilizational markers.

Pakistanis who were looking for their fathers in Arabia, Persia and Turkey in the past based upon a deliberate avoidance of their Indic origin have recently started a political project to reclaim their identity based upon the IVC. They can try all they want but civilizational continuity is the only thing that matters. Names are dime a dozen. If you have a problem with Hindu/India and other exonyms, you could always call yourself Bhāratīya or some such. It is all the same.


Honestly not really. Hindu was the widely used demonym to refer to any Indian before Hindu nationalists decided to turn it into a religious designation. To be a follower of the Hindu religion meant that you followed some set of practices that originated in India. There was no requirement that they be the same standard set.

Modern day Hinduism is a post-hoc reconstruction. That's not to say Indian religious beliefs and doctrines don't exist -- they do. There are just a wide variety of them and they deserve their own mentions.


The idea of a Westphalian nation state is foreign to South Asia until 1947. Before that there was your local patil and whatever clan you belonged to. Even Indian princely states had no clean separation before the British insisted on clean borders.

You're applying modern standards to a time and place where they would have been incomprehensible


Yes. Since these two nations came into being they have been in what is basically a state of war. That is what perpetual means.

> a relatively benign nationalist

Are you a European, out of curiosity? I feel like South Asians don’t really have the ability to translate European history. Not that I’m some expert, but we can report good on-the-ground experiences about "relatively benign nationalism" and where it leads.


Indian christian. European history and South Asian history are really quite different and don't map at all

> Sorry for pointing out the obvious, but if your country's safety depends on ability to block all forms of private person to person messages, your government has failed in one of its primary goals: providing safety for its citizens.

Sorry for pointing out the obvious, but "providing safety for its citizens" is not, has never been, and never will be a "goal" of any government on this planet.


> is not, has never been, and never will be a "goal" of any government on this planet.

this is not a productive outlook to have


Your "productive outlook" in this case is mere wishful thinking and campaign rhetoric. It will never come to pass in a meaningful way. The legitimacy of the state is defined by its monopolistic right to use force without meaningful consequence to the institution. It's a difference of degree, but since a government would lose a great deal of its supposed raison d'etre if they actually accomplish the goal, there isn't even an incentive to act on it.

They act on keeping the institutions running, which implies partial citizen safety. With spare resources / generous budget and benevolent politicians, these services can be extended to cover more welfare, with shouldnt exist in the first place, according to you?

the legitimacy of the state is defined by the citizen's willingness to not replace it

You are just very pessimistic and cinic person.

Governments DO HAVE to try to protect its citizens against internal and external threats. Otherwise people will "abandon" the government up to a certain point.

Case in point: When cartels dominated small towns in Mexico, people gathered in small armies (Auto defensas).

Same thing with Zapatistas.


The only purpose of any government, anywhere, is to protect the ruling class (whether they are internal or external to said government).

The US supreme court has explicitly ruled, on several occasions, that the government has no duty to protect its citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzale...


> any government

Proceeds to give example of one of the most oligarchical countries that ignore financial transparency laws on an industrial scale.


Hobbes's Leviathan wants to have a call with you.

Sorry, I’m already on the line with Society. She’s telling me how her signature has been forged on some scam contract.

This is an absurd claim.

Phones should be banned from children’s lives altogether. They have no benefit for them, only harm.

Yes, yes, we've heard that about books, radio, film, television, and game consoles. I'll put your complaint in the queue.

> books, radio, film, television, and game consoles

None of these tools is designed for the sole purpose of interacting with random people on the internet.

A child can get all the potential benefits of a phone from books, radio, film, television and game consoles — all the while not interacting with random people on the internet.


> You've got to remember that measures like this are limiting people's freedoms

Children’s freedoms ought to be limited, yes.


Any actual reasons or are we limiting them just because? Vibe based governance?

My parents were sure that sitting too close to a TV ruined your eyesight. Should we get a law that forces people to sit at least X meters from the TV? Personally I'd like to see some evidence first, instead of "but we must limit freedoms".


It does ruin your eyesight, actually, just in a way that's easily correctable with corrective lenses now. But that wasn't always the case.

> Any actual reasons or are we limiting them just because?

Just because they aren’t ready to make informed decisions, yes. If they were ready, they’d be called adults.

> My parents were sure that sitting too close to a TV ruined your eyesight. Should we get a law that forces people to sit at least X meters from the TV?

It is children’s freedoms that ought to be restricted. Not their parents’. If you don’t understand the difference, that’s a problem.


"This law might force kids into doing something other than whatever they want, whenever they want, with zero consequences. What happened to freedom?"

So many people have wacky ideas on how to raise kids these days. I question the effectiveness of laws like these, but they are worth trying out. And I think a lot of parents in my generation (millenials) need some serious assistance with teaching kids boundaries.


> So many people have wacky ideas on how to raise kids these days.

Keep in mind that, while you feel like they’re millenials because you are one yourself, many of these people might be kids themselves. That’s the problem with children having access with the internet: there cannot be no boundaries anymore, everyone is an equal being their anonymous account.


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