The irony is that regular and free updates were supposed to help stability .. no consequence no intelligence

no questions, just thanks

Beautiful

iirc logo had lambda and recursion, which means a lot of kids in the 80s were that close to become lispers

Logo was directly inspired by Lisp and the first implementation was even written in Lisp.

Here is the source code to LLogo in MACLISP, which I stashed from the MIT-AI ITS system. It's a fascinating historical document, 12,480 lines of beautiful practical lisp code, defining where the rubber meets the road, with drivers for hardware like pots, plotters, robotic turtles, TV turtles, graphical displays, XGP laser printers, music devices, and lots of other interesting code and comments.

https://donhopkins.com/home/archive/lisp/llogo.lisp

Thanks a ton

Seems easy to picture high stakes startup cutting corners to justify their fame.

win2k was peak for me. lean, functional, just a pinch of glitter here and there (short fade-ins). it was on par with the amazing stability brought by nt5 kernel.

i kinda miss xp at a cultural level since it was a bit the end of that computing culture cycle (after that apple started to dominate and ubuiquitous computing influenced desktop ui)

"after that apple started to dominate"

When did Apple dominate? I'm not trying to hate on Apple here, but there's this weird belief that Apple have had a lead in personal computer OS market share at some point in the last few decades, and it isn't really true since about 1984.

You can argue that they should dominate, but that doesn't seem to have happened.

The mac os x and iphone era dictated UI and UX for a while. I wasn't clear that I wasn't talking about market share.

Maybe they mean culturally.

I remember Apple products being the realm of graphics designers, videographers, and other art professionals back in the XP days. I thought they went mainstream later, as Windows Vista coincided with the iPhone release.

I think a lot of people just don't get how much of classical music was foundational for pop music. McCartney said blackbird was a twist on some Bach intro. Billy Joel said similar things. A lot of of good music was cooked in classical knowledge.

Always fun to see this pop up years later. (Damn, 20 years now)

That's an important point. It's the core of your life, thinking, balancing, exploring, improving. I don't believe adjusting something large you didn't do will ever benefit people.

There's the mice utopia experiment too. I often hear that in space your bones dégradé, your biology needs weight as input.

Also I believe our socialness was crafted out of the need for survival. If removed it's all gonna run wild since nobody needs anybody, and it might end up as doom scrolling but for human relationship. Short bursts from time to time and that's it

Really glad you brought up the mice utopia experiments. I encourage people to read about them and think how they apply to humans.

In many ways they don't apply to humans, and I think a lot of the modern critiques are valid, and the overpopulation concerns in particular don't map well to the modern world. Still, I believe it helps to think deeply about what happens to societies when innate drives and motivations have "nowhere to go".

It's the inverse. We created a world for introverts only in the last ~50 years, where people can spend all their time in an office desk not actually talking to anyone. This was never the case in any of human evolution before.

It's only going back. Raw urban human connections will be the only thing left to exercise.